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January 29, 2013
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I’m new and my opinion is just that. I’m not a photography instructor or instructor of anything. I’m just coming from a place of shooting for a long time and editing for a long time and I’ve seen a lot of people discouraged from the hobby over the years due to critiques by others that don’t have a lot of experience in the field and fail to give good advice. This can be extremely discouraging and the only reason I still shoot and edit because is because the haters motivate me.

We are here to learn and improve but photography is something special and personal, negative comments can be taken very personally and can be destructive if the person giving feedback isn’t the most qualified to do so since a photograph is very personal. We all have opinions on what we like and don’t like and most of the time they are just that, opinions. I think with some of the negative critiques we should hold back a bit especially if we aren’t as experienced as say Oksana where we know her background and she can back it up. I’ve seen a few on here that don’t appear to be coming from a place of experience and while well intended come off as brash. I think being more positive and pointing out what we like in certain photos will do more for people getting better and bringing more life to the forum.

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So you mean that we shall only give positive critiques ?
When i give critique on a photo, good or bad. It is my opinion on the photo NOT the photographer.
I allso belive that all critique, good or bad helps a photographer getting better.
Another thing is, if a photographer get discouraged from the hobby beacause of some “bad” critiques then maybe he or her should find another hobby.
I have been photographing two years and is not a “pro” and i learn all the time. I have never been discouraged of any critique given to my very personal pictures. And i will allways say what i mean when it comes to a photo, positive or negative even if i`m not a “pro” like Oksana or you.
So i do not agree with you MHP Mike. But you should thank the “haters” as you call them, beacause “QUOTE” the only reason I still shoot and edit because is because the haters motivate me. “END OF QUOTE”
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So you mean that we shall only give positive critiques ?
When i give critique on a photo, good or bad. It is my opinion on the photo NOT the photographer.
I allso belive that all critique, good or bad helps a photographer getting better.
Another thing is, if a photographer get discouraged from the hobby beacause of some “bad” critiques then maybe he or her should find another hobby.
I have been photographing two years and is not a “pro” and i learn all the time. I have never been discouraged of any critique given to my very personal pictures. And i will allways say what i mean when it comes to a photo, positive or negative even if i`m not a “pro” like Oksana or you.
So i do not agree with you MHP Mike. But you should thank the “haters” as you call them, beacause “QUOTE” the only reason I still shoot and edit because is because the haters motivate me. “END OF QUOTE”
Yell

Why so angry?
Some issues I see with photos are focus issues and sometimes exposure issues but I see critiques from some that say “photo is too dark” but lack either the experience or time to explain how to correct the issue thus the critique is less of a learning experience and more of picking out what people don’t like in a photo. That is destructive, not constructive. What we as photographers usually don’t see is what people like about the photo, things we are doing that are working. Like I said, I’m not an instructor but much of my professional life has been as a manager or leader of groups of people and I have found what motivates and demotivates most people.

Haters do drive me but I’m a special kind of stubborn that I rarely see in others, criticism without guidance can be and is destructive to the motivation of people new to photography.

To be frank I’m rather appalled you would say that if someone gets their feelings hurt they should quit photography, a little empathy can go a long way. Like I said, this is my opinion from my experiences, if many continue to be brash on photos without being constructive how do you ever expect to attract new members that would have a desire to show their work. The more active members the more we all grow in experience.

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Why so angry? Because of this.
“Quote” I’m not a photography instructor or instructor of anything. I’m just coming from a place of shooting for a long time and editing for a long time and I’ve seen a lot of people discouraged from the hobby over the years due to critiques by others that don’t have a lot of experience in the field and fail to give good advice. This can be extremely discouraging and the only reason I still shoot and edit because is because the haters motivate me. “END OF QUOTE”

If i mean a photo is too dark, then i will say it is. Then it is an easy and a honest opinion form my side. If it is so that they do not know how to lighten it, they can ask. It is not hard to ask, i whould do it if i wonderd how it is done.
But you mean if i posted a pic and you did not like it you whould tell me what to do what program to use all in one go?
Sorry dont buy it.
LIke you said.
“Quote” I’m not an instructor but much of my professional life has been as a manager or leader of groups of people and I have found what motivates and demotivates most people. ” End of Quote”
So you think you know how i think and what motivates me?
And if you are appalled by me saying “if a photographer get discouraged from the hobby beacause of some “bad” critiques then maybe he or her should find another hobby.” dosent bother me mush, beacause this is my opinion.
You say: “if many continue to be brash on photos without being constructive how do you ever expect to attract new members that would have a desire to show their work. The more active members the more we all grow in experience.”
I dont know how to attract new members, that is not why i am here. I am here to share my photos and read the critiques the other members give on them, regardless of what they think of them.
So Mr. MHP Mike. I do not think we will ever agree.

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I think photographers who become unduly upset with negative critiques should not post their photos here.

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January 30, 2013
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Critique:
I belong to a photography club and when asked to submit 2 images
for critique I was happy to do so. I chose what I believed to be good
compositions with the correct elements and was rewarded with a good
assessment on my first post.
However, the second submission was harshly criticized.
I actually believed that the second pic was the better of the two but
others didn’t see it that way and they are welcome to their opinions.
We can’t expect to post images with the intentions of glowing reviews
from our peers. Everyone views art differently and that’s great. I am a
firm believer in the right to ones opinion – as long as it’s not intentionally
meant to hurt someone. I don’t think I’ver encountered anyone in this
forum, or, within my photography group that is immature enough to do that.
Take the good with the bad and learn from it or disregard and move on.
It’s your choice!
Dale.

January 30, 2013
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nikonguy said

Critique:
I belong to a photography club and when asked to submit 2 images
for critique I was happy to do so. I chose what I believed to be good
compositions with the correct elements and was rewarded with a good
assessment on my first post.
However, the second submission was harshly criticized.
I actually believed that the second pic was the better of the two but
others didn’t see it that way and they are welcome to their opinions.
We can’t expect to post images with the intentions of glowing reviews
from our peers. Everyone views art differently and that’s great. I am a
firm believer in the right to ones opinion – as long as it’s not intentionally
meant to hurt someone. I don’t think I’ver encountered anyone in this
forum, or, within my photography group that is immature enough to do that.
Take the good with the bad and learn from it or disregard and move on.
It’s your choice!
Dale.

Well said Dale..

January 30, 2013
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MHP Mike said

I’m new and my opinion is just that. I’m not a photography instructor or instructor of anything. I’m just coming from a place of shooting for a long time and editing for a long time and I’ve seen a lot of people discouraged from the hobby over the years due to critiques by others that don’t have a lot of experience in the field and fail to give good advice. This can be extremely discouraging and the only reason I still shoot and edit because is because the haters motivate me.

We are here to learn and improve but photography is something special and personal, negative comments can be taken very personally and can be destructive if the person giving feedback isn’t the most qualified to do so since a photograph is very personal. We all have opinions on what we like and don’t like and most of the time they are just that, opinions. I think with some of the negative critiques we should hold back a bit especially if we aren’t as experienced as say Oksana where we know her background and she can back it up. I’ve seen a few on here that don’t appear to be coming from a place of experience and while well intended come off as brash. I think being more positive and pointing out what we like in certain photos will do more for people getting better and bringing more life to the forum.

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January 30, 2013
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When i give critique on a photo, good or bad. It is my opinion on the photo…..and critique is always good for the photographer to improve there skills of photography……Smile

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January 30, 2013
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I think my post was worded poorly.

My point is that I see a lot of negative critique without the constructive part or without pointing out aspects that we like in a photo. It’s easy to give a negative critique, much more difficult to provide advice to correct the issue in the future and rare to point out areas in a photo that are great. I’m not against negative critiques I think positive comments are just as constructive.

Either way I have obviously been overruled.

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MHP Mike said

I think my post was worded poorly.

My point is that I see a lot of negative critique without the constructive part or without pointing out aspects that we like in a photo. It’s easy to give a negative critique, much more difficult to provide advice to correct the issue in the future and rare to point out areas in a photo that are great. I’m not against negative critiques I think positive comments are just as constructive.

Either way I have obviously been overruled.

We have all our opinions my friend. We are all diffrent as individuals so this is a good thing. We cant allways agree on everything.
I will try to be more exact when i give critiques, i cant do more than that.
Sorry for getting a tiny bit mad. Still friends i hope?

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Madman said

MHP Mike said

I think my post was worded poorly.

My point is that I see a lot of negative critique without the constructive part or without pointing out aspects that we like in a photo. It’s easy to give a negative critique, much more difficult to provide advice to correct the issue in the future and rare to point out areas in a photo that are great. I’m not against negative critiques I think positive comments are just as constructive.

Either way I have obviously been overruled.

We have all our opinions my friend. We are all diffrent as individuals so this is a good thing. We cant allways agree on everything.
I will try to be more exact when i give critiques, i cant do more than that.
Sorry for getting a tiny bit mad. Still friends i hope?

Of course :-)

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Photography is a very subjective and personal art. People see things differently and that is what makes a forum like this so valuable. Critiques are a most valuable way to learn and improve. Good or bad you should take whatever you can learn from them and move on. It’s not about the attitude, it’s about the art. Sometimes we miss the message because we don’t appreciate the messenger. If someone comes to tell me there is a missile on the way, I’m not going to care how he tells me but I will act on the message! Anyone who has competed in photography galleries will have had their share of “bad and unfair judges”, etc. But you can’t let that stop you. I have collected many awards over the years with images that some judges absolutely tore apart. In the end, the only thing that matters how that image makes me feel! Criticism is what you make of it. If you don’t like it move on to the next. If it helps you then get to work and learn from it. Keep shooting!

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Hey…Chill out guys….

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Love and peace you guys!

Art is very subjective! And as an artist you have to grow a thick skin. Only the strongest will survive!
Believe me, the technical part is the easiest part. The most difficult part is to find yourself, be different and unique,
create an image which will make people feel something – good or bad. So be happy, when people are willing to critique your image – good or bad.
It means they are not indifferent to them.

And also instructor are not always right (I am not talking about me so, LOL Laugh), because they are too much into all the rules and don’t want to come out of the box! I think opinion of the regular people does matter or at least it is good to hear it. You don’t have to agree with everything anybody says, but except criticism constructively. If you are planing to work as a photographer, you also might want to research what your target audience likes. Or ones again stay true to yourself and right people will come to you, who like you style. Very often it is not even about your pictures, but about you.
If they like you and your personality, they will like your work too.

We are all here to learn and the more feedback we get the better – good or bad. I like the idea about more constructive criticism – guys, try to explain more why you like or don’t like some parts of the image and what would you do to improve it.

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I agree with Oksana a 100%, if you are very sensitive to negative comments towards your work you have no business to be a photographer. You have to figure out what you like more, photography or peoples attention, padding on the back saying how amazing and wonderful you are. I follow a lot of blogs online and come across some photographers that are highly praised, but I think there work is pure crap and there are thousand of other people that think like that, but they found their niche, a type of people that like their work and the only way that they succeeded is by having a very thick skin and sticking to their art. I hear a lot of people saying that photography is an art and very personal. It is an art; but how can it be personal if you put in on the web for millions of people to see? If you want it to be personal keep it to yourself…

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Good or bad critiques are welcome because we can think about it and learn from it. We are not babies, so, we must know that when we post something in a public domain to be criticized, we are admiting to receive every kind of critique. Colegues shall give educated critiques, but it doesn’t mean they will be positive. If someone says a photo is dark, is because for that person (instructor or not) the photo is, in his oppinion, dark. An artist to be an artist must carry all this. It’s a process of growing and learning. It’s a human process.

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Mandrake said

I think photographers who become unduly upset with negative critiques should not post their photos here.

Well Mandrake, if so many whose today aprove the criticism shall go back and see the responses they given when some ciritcs was made.

By the way photgraphy like a big manicome, where some time one draging and stone say it is a dog and you have to respect because he is insane
or not capable to recognize that is a stone. Photogrphy and photographers are alike the big manicome. Some time you don’t see the dog the photographer is draging.

I had never found a photographer whitout a litle of insanity include me, the advantage is that our insanity is not agresive or harzard to the rest of society. But if you don’t see the starts in surise or at mid day it does not mean that the starts does not exist.
Art is a distortion of reality , so is a grade of insanity and only insane people can understand art. Like or dislike you is a reality.
I recognize that I am one of them when I made bingo in the apreciation of certain artworks.
So take it easyWink.

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Good or bad critiques are welcome because we can think about it and learn from it. We are not babies, so, we must know that when we post something in a public domain to be criticized, we are admiting to receive every kind of critique. Colegues shall give educated critiques, but it doesn’t mean they will be positive. If someone says a photo is dark, is because for that person (instructor or not) the photo is, in his oppinion, dark. An artist to be an artist must carry all this. It’s a process of growing and learning. It’s a human process.

Of course there is not artist whitout critic, even Miguel Angel had criticism. Cristicism in art is alike criticiWinksm in Politic and as the politician said not matter what they said, the problem is they talk about me bad or good , but talk a lot.

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Love and peace you guys!

Art is very subjective! And as an artist you have to grow a thick skin. Only the strongest will survive!
Believe me, the technical part is the easiest part. The most difficult part is to find yourself, be different and unique,
create an image which will make people feel something – good or bad. So be happy, when people are willing to critique your image – good or bad.
It means they are not indifferent to them.

And also instructor are not always right (I am not talking about me so, LOL Laugh), because they are too much into all the rules and don’t want to come out of the box! I think opinion of the regular people does matter or at least it is good to hear it. You don’t have to agree with everything anybody says, but except criticism constructively. If you are planing to work as a photographer, you also might want to research what your target audience likes. Or ones again stay true to yourself and right people will come to you, who like you style. Very often it is not even about your pictures, but about you.
If they like you and your personality, they will like your work too.

We are all here to learn and the more feedback we get the better – good or bad. I like the idea about more constructive criticism – guys, try to explain more why you like or don’t like some parts of the image and what would you do to improve it.

True Oksana, and the client always has the reazon, yesterday comes to me a lady with three boy very hamson and she want the three children dressed like the Three Porky ; I said her please we are 2013 why don’t like astronauts or cow boys, NOT IF YOU HAVE NOT THE DRESSES I BUY OR GO TO OTHER PHOTOGRAPHES! I replay no no you are right it will be very interesting tell the story to in photography.
See another type of interpreters of art.YellWink

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