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(0 votes) 2:45 pm
July 25, 2012
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What do you think about the lack of VR (vibration stabilization) on nikkor 24-70 when handholding?
Do we really need the VR handholding the nikkor 24-70? (for photography not video)
Is the lens performing good AF without the VR?
Does anybody know if nikon is preparing adding the VR for this lens soon?
Does the cheaper Tamron perform as good as nikkor? I heard there is some vignheting in FF cameras.
Please let me know your thoughts… Here goes a video with a short introductions for those lenses.
7:25 am
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December 2, 2012
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Daniela
Read your question and don’t know the answer to
“do we need VR handheld with 24-70”. I do know that
with a 35mm on my NIkon D7000 I don’t miss VR at all.
If I have to use a really slow shutter speed I just find anything
available to assist me in stabilizing the camera to take the shot.
I know that a 7000 and a 35mm is a lot lighter than FX with 24-70
and that definitely helps but I think I could easily handle a heavier
body and glass if not shooting at very slow shutter speeds.
Thanks for including the video.
Dale.
2:23 pm
July 25, 2012
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Hi Dale, thx for the answer. The 35mm lens is very light and the 24-70 is almost 1kg but the real problem is not from 24 to 50mm but the 70mm up. Some people said that is no problem at all everything that is below the 100mm, that there is no VR needed etc and this is true in what concerns a 105mm lens (I already try with tripod a picture with VR and without VR and the results are better with VR)…if nikon didn’t include the VR on the 24-70 I guess there is no need for it…I dont know. The old lenses that came with the D70 were 18-70 with no VR, but they are DX lenses and DX camera, much more lighter It will be usefull if Oksana gives her oppinion because she has one of those 24-70. Thanks for you tip about the slow shutter speed, I will keep that in mind.
7:11 am
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September 15, 2012
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I don’t think that weight is the important factor.
It is more that focal length determines the need for VR.
The longer the focal length of a shot, the more need for VR.
When zoomed in the affect of any camera shake or subject motion is much more pronounced.
Just look through a hand held telescope to realize this.
Daniela… I am surprised to see that you found that tripod photos are better with VR on.
I’ve always read that when using a tripod one should turn off VR.
The camera is steady so, no need.
Also the mechanics of the VR actually cause some vibration and therefore best not to use with tripod.
Mandrake
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Nikkor 24-70 F/2.8 is my favorite everyday lens right now. It is very sharp and has fast focus. The downside – it is big and heavy, but I got use to it. I don’t miss VR at all. I don’t shoot below 1/60 handheld too often so. I’d rather use a tripod (for landscapes) or higher ISO (for people, who have tendency to move anyway).
The following photo was taken handheld at focal length of 56mm, ISO 2500, F2.8 and shutter speed 1/25.
The main reason for a slow shutter speed was to get a moving train effect.
Unfortunately I didn’t get a chance to try the Tamron out, but from what a read it looks like it does have advantage with VR and overall it seams to be a good lens and cheeper too.
2:13 pm
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September 15, 2012
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At an iso of 2500 and an aperture of f/2.8 (the len’s widest) I don’t see how you could take the photo with available light at any faster shutter speed.
Nice shot… I like the movement behind the couple. It tells a story.
Mandrake
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Mandrake said
At an iso of 2500 and an aperture of f/2.8 (the len’s widest) I don’t see how you could take the photo with available light at any faster shutter speed.
Nice shot… I like the movement behind the couple. It tells a story.
Mandrake
I could use even higher ISO or underexpose Raw file and recover it in post. I could also use flash.
VR could definitely help in situations like this, but my point is I could deal without it.
The other thing is that overral Tamron is not a bad choice over Nikon. It looks like all the review are very positive and the price is also cheaper.
I can’t tell you for sure till I try it.
But for now I love my Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 and I get a good use of it.
4:50 pm
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September 15, 2012
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My apologies… I misread your ISO of 2500 as 25000 (nearly the D800’s max of 25600).
Yes, you had a lot of room to increase the ISO.
Mandrake
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3:02 am
July 25, 2012
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Mandrake said
I don’t think that weight is the important factor.
It is more that focal length determines the need for VR.
The longer the focal length of a shot, the more need for VR.
When zoomed in the affect of any camera shake or subject motion is much more pronounced.
Just look through a hand held telescope to realize this.Daniela… I am surprised to see that you found that tripod photos are better with VR on.
I’ve always read that when using a tripod one should turn off VR.
The camera is steady so, no need.
Also the mechanics of the VR actually cause some vibration and therefore best not to use with tripod.Mandrake
Hello Mandrake, of course that weight is an important factor when handholding, specially in weaker and smaller hands, if I grab a heavier equipment more difficult for me to stabilize it. But you are right in what concerns the zoom range (as longer is the range more difficult to stabilize as you said).
Yes we should turn off VR on tripod because of the motor as you said, but I’ve done some nonsense tests with tripod and got those results:
These are two images very croped taken with LiveView on at F3 at 1/13sec. I don’t understand why the photo taken with VR off has better focus. Photos were taken with cable shutter. I have more tests but taken with Viewfinder and Liveview off and I will post them later on AF focus topic because it’s more suitable for that topic. Photos are very different when taken with liveview and with viewfinder (I didn’t figure out why) but Silky has already posted something on AF fine tuning topic about testing the lens. (http://photographylife.com/how…..cus-issues)
3:16 am
July 25, 2012
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Thanks for you opinion Oksana, it was very helpfull that you have illustrated this question with a real example, like the photo you posted, but I’m not so good as you and need to work hard on keeping people quiet and in focus. Were your models absolutely quiet?
I’m still in a struggle between nikkor or the tamron, as a nikon fan is a pain for me seeing that VC on the tamron.
This video demonstrates the VC on the Tamron in comparision with a 24-70 Canon, of course Matt is a guy with very steady hands but we can see the point.
VR wouldn’t help you to freeze moving subject, but reduce camera shake created by photographer. For the type of photos I showed you, model has to be still with VR or without. That is why I don’t use shutter speed less then 1/60 too often when photographing people. Not because I can’t be steady, but because people can’t. If you have a hard time to be still, monopod can help or you can look for something like a wall for example to support yourself against. Also try not to breath at the moment you take a photo at slow shutter speed. Take a deep breath before you press the shutter and breath out after you done. I will try to make a video on the poses which can help photographer to be more steady.
2:15 pm
July 25, 2012
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Thx for your advices about this 24-70 subject. I got the nikkor and I’m very happy with it…I will start full frame soon because my work requires so…and because I want (eheheh).
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